The Mobile (CR’) APP

Where to begin? I was ecstatic when Tim’s finally introduced their Mobile App in 2017. The potential for time savings alone by preordering seemed impressive. A points program to reward members’ purchases was more than welcome. Mind you, this was Tim’s playing catch-up – Starbucks, McDonalds and other competitors already had a mobile App. Let’s look at the many deficiencies of Tim’s version. Once I get that out of my system, maybe I can find some good things to say about it.

Just tell us your name‘ Place your order in advance, and drive up to the drive through and tell them your name – sounds all friendly and folksy, doesn’t it? We’re all buddies here, right? Everyone knows good ol’ Joe. ‘Mobile order pickup for Joe, please’

Except those of us with experience know what happens next, at least 30% (used to be like 50-60% of the time) of the time, right?

‘What’s your number?’ ‘Number? What Number? My name is Joe – J-O-E – Joe!’ Canada is a wonderful melting pot of cultures, which results in many people here having English as a second language. Many of them work at Tims. I also can speculate that at busy times, there may be as many as several ‘Joe’s’ in the queue. Having a name which can be heard several different ways doesn’t help either – i.e. John, Ron, Don, Lon. I have actually had drive through order processors tell me (in a very not so nice way) they can’t give me my order without the number. Well, that number is on my cell phone somewhere, and I am driving – so you better find it for ‘J-o-e’ – JOE!

Order confirmation. Seems like a good idea, but lets look at this. There are probably at least two main types of Mobile App users – ‘Power Users’ and ‘Occasional’ (there is a sub-category in this group I refer to as ‘Clueless’). I don’t need the person talking to me to confirm my regular coffee order – especially now that most locations have a screen that shows your order once they figure out your name. Contrary to drive-up ordering, using the App shows you most likely have some experience with Tims and its menu. But although the regular drive up process often requires an order confirmation, Mobile App orders just require USER confirmation – Joe #1? 2? 3?

Order Prep. What prep? I was so naïve to think I could order my bacon grilled cheese 5 minutes out and expect it to be waiting. I get that they want to give hot and fresh, but there is a better solution (The McDonalds App will get its superiority award in due course). Now it doesn’t matter if you have 15 sandwiches and 20 coffees on there, they only get started once they know you are there. Kind of defeats the main purpose. of preordering.

Modifiers/Customization Guess what? I like my bagels triple toasted. Best I can get on the app is double. Wave your hand if you enjoy clicking the buttons to add milk and sugar in increments of .5. How about clicking twice to select coffee size? Anyone? Bueller? Thank the heavens that they eventually added the ‘Recents’ feature.

Condiments ? Can a customer get some salt or pepper? Ketchup? Or extra blah, blah… Nope. Well, you can ask when declaring your arrival, but I would bet big bucks there is no way to add S+P to your mobile order based on the more than 50% of the times I have asked for these items only for them to be forgotten.

Location Oh, this is a good one. I wish I could have a dollar for every ten seconds I have spent watching that circle go round and round while the App tries to locate me. Usually it requires a restart of the app, sometimes I just have to give up because it’s not going to work at all. ‘Glitchy’ is not a strong enough word for this app. I think Tims had to water down this feature when they got into trouble for tracking customer geolocating data when the app was not in use. I wonder how much lost revenue a sh***y app represents….?

Inventory/Outlet communication The Tims app has no way of knowing what the store has. Well, mostly. It’s better than it was – if a Store regularly does not stock a certain item – i.e, Multigrain bagel -now the app will not allow you to select it, it’s unavailable. However, if that Espresso machine is broken, you are scr***d. It will take your money, and leave it to some poor window person to hit you up to the fact you have already paid for something you can’t get. Hockey cards, certain bagels and donuts, sides, sammies – they can all be sold out, but you find out after you have already paid. Usually they will offer you a same or better substitute at the window, but refunds can be a serious problem. I once ordered a small coffee and small hot chocolate in order to get my son two $1 hockey card packs. They had none so I requested a full refund. That took 15 minutes and a whole lot of very unpleasant discussion. Did you know that according to the App my preferred store has no muffins or bagels available before 6 am? Unless you go there and see them sitting in the window case, that is.

REWARDS used to be half decent – 70 points got you a free coffee. The problem was you could spend $1.50 or $150 and still only get 10 points. Now you have to spend $30 to earn enough points for a free donut. (Is there a head shake emoji?) Another irritant is that any ‘special’ or ‘new’ items can’t be redeemed with points. I have spent many fruitless minutes trying different redeeming options in order to try a new product that seemed over-priced – only to give up when no points option would work.

Customer Loyalty vs. Marketing Platform My biggest gripe and the fundamental problem with the App. Tim’s could have approached an app developer and asked them to create something customers would love, something to make them want to order Tim’s more often. But the App seems more about marketing and promotion than anything else. Why should a customer have to go hunting to find out what the special offers are – oops, you COULD have had 20% off your coffees this week, but you forgot to ACTIVATE the offer – Too Bad, So Sad. That doesn’t build loyalty, it breeds contempt.

Ok that was the bad and the ugly…let’s see what’s good. They added a credit card payment option instead of forcing you to reload a Tims card. The aforementioned ‘Recents’ feature was long overdue. Umm… that’s it. Oh, and the NHL Challenge game for goal predictions with points rewards.

McDonalds Isn’t imitation the sincerest form of flattery? Why wouldn’t you go through your competition’s Apps and pick out the best ideas? McD’s has an App that allows me to click once to pick quantities (remember the .5 increments), select condiments, and say ‘I’m HERE’ even before getting to the talking box part (Start that Grilled Cheese, Please) The identifier is an alpha-numeric code that I have never been questioned on….i.e QZ17. Reminders about points expiring, special offers, special rewards for having the app and using it. They Get It. Tim’s is embarrassing in comparison.

Phew, that was exhausting. If you got this far, I’m sure you have some thoughts – please don’t hesitate to share your opinions and experiences.

Product Review

(Originally posted in 2018)

Turkey Melt Sandwich

This one is the latest evolution of the Artisan-Style Grilled Cheese Sandwich. Which I was ordering with bacon as soon as they introduced it. Now it comes plain, with bacon, or most recently with turkey – labeled as a turkey melt. I will likely add separate reviews for the basic and bacon added variants later.

I like the new turkey they are using. However, in the interest of accuracy I just went to the Tim’s website to check menu info because I want to describe the new turkey properly.  I can’t find the Turkey Melt, only an Artisan-Style Grilled Cheese sandwich – the picture of which includes bacon thought the described ingredients do not. No mention of a bacon added one or a Turkey Melt. On the plus side I found from the Turkey Bacon Club that the meat is now called ‘Carved seasoned turkey’ . Much thicker cuts than the thin deli style they had before.

I usually find the turkey portion pretty generous and it’s good meat. What stops this sammy from being great are temperature and construction concerns. Every time I have had this (maybe 10 -12 times?) the Turkey and the large shot of mayo that accompanies it unless you request otherwise are both cold. I don’t know if they are building it all and then hitting the panini press, or if they somehow pry it open after they’ve done the cheese thing and stuff it in there. Also, it is usually in a small mound in the center, not spread at all. Maybe in consideration of keeping the press clean? Good idea but lousy execution I think.

Rating : Good

best – quality of meat

worst – reconciliation of a hot sandwich with a cold filling – fix it please

My Tim Bites

Exploring our Love/Hate Relationship with all things Tims

(Originally posted in 2018)

Thanks for your interest in coming here. I am a Canada Post employee in the Greater Toronto Area, and have had LOTS of Tim Horton’s customer experiences over many years now.  I have found that a Timmies visit can vary from scoring that perfect, ‘Mother’s milk’ java and some awesome fresh/hot/tasty super satisfying grubbage to a blood pressure warning, frustrating, ready-to-never-return disaster. Nothing too remarkable about that, but why is it that the scale seems to be pushing towards the real negative and so often? Is it the familiarity? Is it too much to ask for consistency in that coffee? Timely service? Hot or cold items which are supposed to be hot or cold (not vice versa)? You can judge and I would love to hear your experiences and opinions – I know many people have the stories to tell.

I just have gotten too frustrated with the same problems at so many different Tim’s locations that I have to get it out there and see if many of you feel the same way.

Top 5 sources of frustration with a typical Tim’s visit.

1. Salt and Pepper, please

Just three little words (four in Canadian). More often on a drive thru than a counter visit, why can’t they give me my S&P? I know they have a button on their POS (that’s point of sale to you) for the purpose – I’ve asked. I have gone to simply stocking up in my vehicle as best I can to avoid the roughly 60% Oops! – we forgot factor. As a salt lover, many of those sammies just don’t make it without additional spicing up.

2. Drive-Through (DT) dialogue and etiquette

I recently had a discussion with my son about what the majority of DT customers must  be like. Aren’t most of them (like me) experienced with the process? Haven’t we largely decided in advance what we’re ordering and how to do it?  More than 9 times out of ten after I have specified ‘and thats it’ or ‘thats all’,  I will be asked ‘Is there anything else?’ or perhaps ‘Would you like a muffin or a doughnut with that’? Why don’t they Listen?

What about the interrupters – the ones who wont let you finish your order? All they have to do is punch the appropriate button as I lay it out, (Dark Roast, 2 milk one sugar, multigrain bagel double toasted with …  blah blah blah) it hopefully will show on the little screen – it can be really cool when they simply listen. Ok, if i ordered with marble mouth then questions are fair. But I (we?) don’t, do we? We know to bark clearly and loudly. We know what we want (except when you’re in a hurry the chances of the car in front having a nice little review dialogue of all the menu options is much greater) Let Me Finish, Please! It will be faster, I promise.

3. Mustard!

Ok, I don’t expect too much empathy on this one but here goes. I changed up my diet some years back to drop some pounds. I wanted my sandwich with mustard. Not Mayo, or some chipotle-ranch-honey-southwestern-garlic-sweet onion flavoured whatever sauce or anything but mustard. Now, having worked some in food service, I feel that it is considered as a pantry staple. It’s cheap, it lasts a long time and how hard is it to keep a tub around somewhere anyway? I have simply stopped asking. Did you know that 95% of Timmies don’t have it? they probably only started stocking ketchup once they brought out those potato wedges.

4. The ignore – or, the grab and go.

This one is exclusive to counter service. You simply can’t get them to look at you or ask for your order because…. They’re filling DT orders/they’re cleaning something/having a little chat/not there. Don’t you love standing in a line inside while they blow out car orders like the world is ending? Then after the little flurry of DT completions, someone disappears somewhere, another starts cleaning..?

Sometimes it’s real important to make the line up smaller (for customer satisfaction maybe?) fast by taking a flurry of orders and then letting us all stew on the sidelines as we wait. Rather impersonal and disappointing to be treated as a wallet – grab the order and payment and then let’em wait. Like I’m supposed to know that with a coffee only order you’re not going to make it while I wait and then go the next customer… They grab your money, then want you to go wait over there and keep quiet.

5. Inconsistency

In an industry like theirs, and with a corporate model of thousands of franchises nationwide and growing, consistency is key. They go to great pains to make sure their coffee blend is the same regardless of where you order that cup. Too bad the same can’t be said for the various food products. Training issues with young and inexperienced staff making relatively low wages, Franchise Managers determined to make more profit by shaving or creatively interpreting corporate guidelines about freshness and portion size are the two main influences I can imagine. Stale bagels, incomplete sandwiches, meager portions of bacon or wedges. How many times have you been some distance away when you found out they forgot the bacon on that Grilled cheese WITH BACON you paid an extra buck for. How is it that the sugar dispensers can be so out of whack with the standard?

There. I think I will start to feel better having shared some of that. Please let me know your stories and impressions, I expect I am not alone.

Next step will be some product reviews and some specific transactions that were memorable one way or another.

(This ends the 2018 posting sessions – the blog is now up to date and current)